Duel entre Honda Civic Type R 200 ch et Seat Leon II Cupra 240 ch : laquelle est la plus performante ? Accélérations, Reprises, Freinage, Circuit : Verdict !
You'll haveread a lot about Cuprarecently. SEAT's just-launched sub brand is the culmination of a journey it commenced years ago; one probably dreamt up in Lower Saxony, where the marketing concept of 'Latin flair' is almost as convenient as 'English pomp' or 'Germanic superiority'. Under the new plan, all the latent sportiness that Martorell failed to introduce into the Alhambra or the Toledo or the Exeo or the Altea will now be injected into a new badge; one that still flummoxes Google image search, let alone the man on the course, that's by-the-by, because (for now) the Leon Cupra - despite being the model most associated with the name - has, for reasons best known to SEAT, nothing to do with brand Cupra. Probably that's a good thing: the long-running hot hatch already possesses heritage and credibility, and doesn't need a superfluous layer of identity plastered on top. So while the deliberately expensive R version serves as a bellwetherfor what's coming round the corner, it isn't necessarily beholden to it (no matter what subliminal messages are being imparted by its copper colour scheme).Its maker would probably prefer its sold-out headliner to be regarded simply as a Leon, in the hope that it enjoys the generosity of spirit that greeted theGolf GTI Clubsport S, a limited-edition run-out model with the same enhanced output and the same single axle to drive it through. Needless to say the five-door R has not had its rear seats deleted nor its weight reduced - but it does get the same modified camber angles at the front, bigger brakes, revamped steering and a retuned exhaust system, as well as a smattering of carbon fibre on a very mildly augmented Cupra body that the 24 cars coming to the UK are already sold, it's hardly worth passing comment on the desirability of the styling revisions. If there were a 25th customer in two minds about the car, we might point out that the copper highlights are likely to be divisive - then again, we've brought along a Honda Civic Type R to test it against, which is rather like bringing a Jackson Pollock canvas to a gun fight. The GT version starts at £32,995 (£2k cheaper than the Cupra R) and it delivers 10hp more from its VTEC Turbo unit. It also looks like it looks, which you're either going to put up with or internally veto with a inside though, and the objective distance between the pair narrows significantly. Not so very long ago, anything heralding from the VW Group could expect to romp away from a Honda on the pleasantness and usability alone, but the FK8 generation of Civic is a different kettle of fish. Where the car was once overly keen to be appear nonconformist, the latest dashboard is as buttoned-down as a Marks and Spencer shirt collar - and while that means you're unlikely to spend long marvelling at it, it does rather beat Martorell at its own game by being neat and tidy and very well clincher though is the fact that in the Type R, you sit what feels like about a foot lower on far superior (and characteristically red) sport seats. As nice as the Cupra's Alcantara steering wheel is - and no matter how preferable it's infotainment system might be - they're no match for the allure of decent driving position. It's also worth mentioning that the Civic feels about a foot wider (it's actually about 60mm broader than the Leon) which, proportionally speaking, is to the car's advantage. Drive them back to back, and the Leon seems like an overgrown supermini compared to its lower, larger no question the Type R makes a dynamic virtue of its greater size, either. The car's footprint - and the corresponding sense of stability - seems oversized for a hatchback. It's sublimely well marshalled, too. Even in Comfort mode the Civic is unapologetically firm at low speeds, yet the stiffness is that lovely sort which seems to live mostly in the structure, freeing up the adaptive dampers to get on with the business of endlessly kneading the 20-inch wheels into the road surface. The resulting suppleness is too shallow to be called infallible in the UK, but for as long as it works, it makes the car's tacked-down poise seem wonderfully the Leon? Well, it does nothing quite so well. It is a measure of the Type R's quality that the Cupra's own Comfort setting - typically thought a decent compromise in the standard model - feels almost blancmange-like compared to the super-stern Honda. Of course you might be willing to sacrifice some vertical stiffness if there was a pay off in ride quality, but the SEAT never quite manages to convince you that its lubberly softness is actually delivering a greater level of bump absorption. For the most part, its own adaptive damping just feels a notch less performance though, well lives up to the Cupra R billing. Despite being the best part of 100kg heavier than the Clubsport S, the end result is much the same: with minimal fuss or squirm in the steering wheel, the all-singing iteration of the endlessly re-used EA888 motor has the Leon charging likeably from the blocks. SEAT claims seconds to 62mph - easily believable, and an exact match for the Type R's time - nevertheless, it is the in-gear acceleration which really shows off the unit's flexibility. Low crank speeds hold no fear for the Cupra driver no matter which drive mode you're in; its 280lb ft of peak torque is produced virtually without lag and seems endlessly accessible, and - in the dry at least, with judicious use - seldom threatens to overwhelm the standard-fit electronic locking diff Civic meanwhile has 295lb ft at its disposal and is virtually the same weight as the Leon, but despite having a turbocharger twinned with the VTEC system for a generation now, its own engine is just not quite as prolific when asked to pull from so close to idle. The Cupra's comparative enthusiasm only serves to highlight the softness of its throttle response, and while it isn't hesitant in the old school Type R mould (there's certainly no 'wait, wait - go!' here), it just doesn't surge forward quite as nimbly as the SEAT, and nor does it attempt a variation on its rival's baritone warble, it does instead is go and sound exactly like you might expect a high-revving forced-induction Honda engine to; one that builds progressively from any initial delay to gallop through its mid range and end in a sprint somewhere near 7,000rpm. Credit where it's due, the EA888 is hardly any less compelling at between 5,800-6,500rpm - where the R's advantage over other Cupra-badged cars makes its presence felt - but thanks to a familiar weightlessness in the clutch and gear shift, it doesn't share the precision and tactility of Honda's six-speed manual transmission nor the gratifyingly mechanical sensation of interacting with this latter respect - specifically the business of nailing the physical connection between driver, car and road surface - there's clear daylight between the two. The Type R's predecessor, the FK2, was self-limited not by a lack of ability, but because it could be driven everywhere at Mach 2 without ruffling so much as an eyebrow. In its follow-up, almost to a fault, you now relish every second; not because you go noticeably quicker, but because Honda has successfully cleaved away at the feeling of detachment with meticulously honed controls and the exacting, talkative chassis to say the FK8 turns all-of-a-piece is something of an understatement; it slays corners with its flatness and tenacity and slippy-diff willingness to put its power down. The R+ mode is a little too hyperactive for most B-roads, but in Sport you get just the right simmering mix of tautness, compliance, steering response and back-axle mobility. The R is better in Sport, too (the Cupra setting being too brittle) and easily proficient enough to carry foolhardy amounts of speed through most bends. Its obvious strengths feel familiar and well chosen: directness and directional stability being at a premium, and present in sufficient quantities to make the car a generally satisfying foil for the biggest output it's ever been while the Leon is good enough to let you drive fast, the Type R makes you want to drive fast precisely because it is so good. SEAT hasn't zeroed-in its R model with nearly the same stringency. The Honda gets better across the board as you try harder; the Cupra gamely ups its roll resistance, but doesn't ultimately possess the rigorous steering feel needed to make the advantage meaningful nor the adjustability to make it thrilling. It tends to feel exactly as it is: the most powerful version of an upstanding, affable and unremarkable hot hatch. The Civic feels different. It could hardly be anymore rounded if it were a BB pellet. It feels like it's in the league above. Now if only it looked that way, too...SPECIFICATION - HONDA CIVIC TYPE REngine: 1,996cc, turbocharged 4-cylTransmission: 6-speed manual, front-wheel drivePower (hp): 320@6,500rpmTorque (lb ft): 295@2,500-4,500rpm0-62mph: speed: 169mphWeight: 1,451kg (with fluids and driver)MPG: (NEDC combined)CO2: 176g/kmPrice: £30,995 (£32,995 for GT version)SPECIFICATION - SEAT LEON CUPRA REngine: 1,984cc, 4-cylinder turbochargedTransmission: 6-speed manual, front-wheel drivePower (hp): 310@5,800-6,500rpmTorque (lb ft): 280@1,800-5,700rpm0-62mph: speed: 155mphWeight: 1,453kgMPG: (NEDC combined)CO2: 170g/kmPrice: £34,995
Honda Civic. El CUPRA León se asienta como el compacto más radical dentro de la familia CUPRA. Con hasta 310 CV de potencia, el León se planta como un digno rival de los Volkswagen Golf R y Audi S3. El Honda Civic en la última generación crece hasta superar los 4,5 metros y se aleja de los compactos tradicionales.
Bringing car spotting into perspective Real height1 m 2 + cm 1 m Real height1 + cm 1 m Real length Click/tap cars to swap positions Street perspective vs. specification. See Disclaimer. Side ViewHonda Civic (FC) Sedan 2016 vs. Seat León (1P) 5-door Hatchback 2005 Technical specs | Honda Civic (FC) Sedan 2016 is cm longer and cm lower compared to Seat León (1P) 5-door Hatchback 2005. It offers 56% less cargo 1. Maximum height | 2. Width with folded mirrors | 3. Max. ground clearance | 4. Most common power unit. Possible deviation of standards. | 5. With rear seats folded down Quick Facts 721801 Comparison combinations Germany Origin of the most car models 1908 Year of our oldest car model
Honda Civic engine produces 5 HP less power than Seat Leon, whereas torque is 25 NM less than Seat Leon. Due to the lower power, Honda Civic reaches 100 km/h speed 0.8 seconds later. Fuel consumption (l/100km): 5.3: 5.1
The Seat Leon Cupra R is 306bhp of fiery, finely honed fun - but can it match the latest Honda Civic Type R for driving thrills? Cupra’s infotainment is far superior to that of the Civic Honda is equally quick but packs its punch at higher revs Both cars corner sensationally flat Sporty intent of the Type R is as clear inside as outside Honda’s gives 316bhp and 295lb ft Cupra R grips well but it lacks adjustability Copper colouring tells you it’s a Cupra Well of torque in the Seat is deep and wide for easy, rapid pace Seat puts out 306bhp and 280lb ft Alcantara and leather lift the Leon’s ambience Type R’s chassis engages its driver more in the handling Civic Type R is a series-production car Cupra R: UK gets 24 of a 799-unit run Close 7 mins read10 August 2020 Regardless of the outcome of this showdown, if you’re talking about hot hatches in the conventional sense, the current Civic Type R is the best money can buy. No other front-driven car for which you can lay down a deposit at your nearest dealership marries such crushing pace with such a deep-seated sense of mechanical involvement. In fact, the only reason this magazine’s road testers elected to bestow upon it four and a half stars is because those so inclined were a little more vociferous in their sentiments than the ones who would give it five. Although it no longer rages, the debate lingers. As you’ve probably surmised, we haven’t committed editorial hara-kiri and given up the verdict in the first line. Rather, the Honda is the only car in this duo that you can actually buy. Why a nation famous for loosening the purse strings in the pursuit of agile, affordable, peppy shopping carts should be allocated a paltry 24 cars from a run of 799 is anybody’s guess, but each right-hand-drive example of the lava-hot Seat Leon Cupra R is now spoken for, which renders this twin test both academic and fascinating. This article was originally published on 5 May 2018. We're revisiting some of Autocar's most popular features to provide engaging content in these challenging times. Academic, because even should this £34,995 newcomer bury its esteemed rival in a win that would come as a considerable but welcome surprise, you still can’t have one. Fascinating because this is the last Cupra model before ‘Cupra’ becomes an independent, performance-oriented institution in the manner of Mercedes-AMG. What this car portends–its relative strengths, drawbacks, focus and, most important for us, the ability to entertain is therefore the concern of anybody who might at some point seriously consider buying a hot hatch. This battle is for the moral victory. Perhaps for you, it’s a conflict that the Japanese car has already surrendered. You will by now have formed your own opinion of the FK8-generation Civic Type R’s aesthetics, and it may not be entirely favourable. However, with the distinctive-looking Honda sitting longer and wider but no taller than the Seat Leon Cupra R, for sheer presence we’re talking cold-blooded murder here. Autocar's top 10 hot hatches Moreover, in classic Championship White, many of the intricacies swallowed up by darker hues emerge: Mitsubishi Evolution-style vortex generators on the trailing edge of the roof; side-skirt fins; a vast ventdraining the front wheel arches of lift-inducing pressure; the way the end-plates of that colossal wing flair at their base. Look closely and you’ll notice that even the headlight lenses feature aero mouldings. It’s a curious, formidable thing that could only ever have been born in Japan and, to these eyes, it’s handsome in the same way haggis is tasty. But enough about this 316bhp Honda, which starts up with an unexpectedly demure burble lost among the harder frequencies and altogether less sociable amplitude of its rip-snorting rival. Previous Cupra variants based on this third-generation Leon have been phenomenally quick point to point but have tempered that with a demeanour that cruises under the radar. That’s not the case here. The front and rear valances, skirts and wing are wrought of genuine carbonfibre (the Honda gets a derisible artificial wrap) and there’s copper-coloured detailing everywhere, not least on the intake blades and two-tone 19in alloy wheels, which works far better than it should. Those wheels fail to obscure Brembo brakes that are larger than the ones on the Leon Cupra 300 and book-end a front axle that has had its geometry tweaked to offer a degree more negative camber. With new suspension uprights as well, Seat’s aim has been to make the chassis feel a little more ‘pointy’, although the contact patch is 10mm narrower at each corner than the Honda’s. Even so, aided by smooth Tarmac and warm tyres, the Cupra R’s shockingly direct changes in trajectory threatened to rip rubber from rim on its international launch in Spain last year. Flow the car through a few British bends and you’re greeted by what is arguably its métier. The steering rack has been quickened a touch just off centre and has a crisp levity to it, weighting up naturally and with a steely core that transmits, yes, some genuine feel. The narrow gauge of the rim (manufacturers of even far more expensive, potent machinery, please take note) and indulgently soft Alcantara upholstery that, I suspect, is the same as that used in the new Porsche 911 GT3 certainly help. Overall, it’s a fantastic, flickable helm. Then there’s the engine. Rarely is the lump under the bonnet the most memorable aspect of a hot hatch, and that’s the case with the Cupra R, although for a four-cylinder workhorse, this one is absurdly talented. Its peak torque of 280lb ft arrives at only 1800rpm and yet, somehow, that same level of twist is still flooding through the six-speed manual gearbox at 5700rpm. Too much of its character is dependent on exhaust tuning, but a more tractable, cultured four-pot you’ll not find in anything with five seats and boot. It is a shame, then, that some of the basics – and the more nuanced complexities – are lacking. The seats are too high-set and, strangely, given the magnitude of the bolsters, flat across their backs. The throw of this manual ’box is decently short but giddily light. The brake pedal – quite beautifully positioned in relation to the others – feels too generously servo-assisted and, on its retuned adaptive dampers, the chassislacks the final pinch of pliancy that allows its exertions to fade from your thoughts. Most telling, even in wet weather – as on the day of our photo shoot – the adjustability that bubbles up from within the best hot hatch exponents is lamentably absent, although the pace on offer is nothing short of spectacular. On British roads, the overall result is a peculiar device, and one that strongly hints at an uncompromised mission statement but ultimately delivers something of a movie punch. The Civic, meanwhile, dispenses a roundhouse, the discombobulating effects of which quickly rearrange your notion of what really constitutes ‘feeling’. The scarlet seats not only look fabulous but also cup the torso more securely. Crucially, they set your posterior more purposely low down and the consequent impression – unique among this car’s rivals – is of being securely enveloped within the chassis. Get going and you’ll find the right sort of heft in the steering and clutch and pleasing resistance in the throttle pedal’s action. Response isn’t as gloriously sharp as it is in the Seat and, lacking that car’s twin-scroll turbo, this 316bhp four isn’t as willing at lower crank speeds. However, the scales shift at the top of the rev range, where this over-square VTEC engine feasts on the final stretch of the 7000rpm redline with a zeal that’s just a little alarming if you’re not ready for it. The Honda also weighs an adult passenger less than the Seat, and you notice it. The one-two that makes the Seat drop a knee comes from the Type R’s gearshift and damping. The shift quality – honed assiduously by Honda for two decades – is short, tight, notchy perfection. The suspension, with its new rear multi- links, is something we’ve criticised in the past for being overly stiff but, in this instance, it simply feels the more adroit. The Civic’s nose duly dives for apices with the composure of an ice-breaker cruising through a frozen pond. It must be said, however, that in these conditions the Civic’s mechanical limited-slip differential has to be exploited more deftly and with greater care than its more forgiving electronic equivalent in the Leon. On low-friction surfaces, it is less predictable, locking up earlier and pushing the nose wide to sometimes startling effect. The risk- to-reward ratio is that much more engaging in the Honda, which raises the stakes further still with its oft-cited penchant for oversteer. You could flay these charges for miles and never find the gap between them to be more than a handful of car lengths. Were the Leon wearing the track-day-spec Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2 tyres that a fifth of owners are expected to specify, I dare say it would be the quicker car. Whatever the rubber, it’s also the easier of two to live with so would be the preference of the non-enthusiast members of your household. And it’s for precisely that reason it loses this contest with its head held high but ultimately by some margin. The Civic Type R bottles the sensations common to bona fide sports cars and it’s a bottle you get to screw the top off on any road and at almost any speed. In the end, it’s simple: this limited- run Seat promises great things for an incipient Cupra brand, but the Honda is comfortably there already. 1st - Honda Civic Type R: A magnificent achievement from Honda. Tangibly the more involving proposition here, despite the unquestionable quality of its opposition 2nd - Seat Leon Cupra R: Phenomenally quick Leon bodes well for the Cupra sub-brand but never feels more than the sum of its admittedly impressive parts Used cars for sale NewsletterGet all the best car news, reviews and opinions direct to your inbox three times a week. 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Skip to ContentSkip to FooterStylish new Honda Civic Tourer and SEAT Leon ST compact estates take on our class champion, the Skoda Octavia26 Feb 2014Compact family estate buyers have never had it so good. Most small hatches are now also offered in estate form, so there’s a wide variety of practical models available. The latest arrivals have also injected some desirability into this increasingly competitive market.• Honda Civic Tourer review• SEAT Leon ST estate review• Skoda Octavia Estate reviewThe newest kid on the block is the Honda Civic Tourer. It has the biggest boot in the class, at 624 litres, while its rear seats feature some clever folding tricks. Plus, the Civic’s i-DTEC diesel engine should strike an ideal balance between performance and newcomer is the SEAT Leon ST. It’s the first time this model has been offered as an estate, and a large boot only adds to the stylish desirability of the hatchback, which was crowned Auto Express Car of the Year put these new cars against our class benchmark: the Skoda Octavia Estate. We try diesel versions of each, and we’ll pay extra attention to their luggage areas to see which model has the practical spaceThe Honda has the biggest boot, at 624 litres, and features a 12V socket, underfloor storage, lashing eyes and a roll-back load cover. You also get underfloor storage in the SEAT, plus a 12V socket and two bag hooks, while the Skoda has four hooks and a power socket, but no hidden compartment. The Leon and Octavia both have seatback releases in the boot, and their load covers are easier to seatsNarrower back doors and angled door pillars mean the Honda’s rear seats are harder to access. Once you’re in, there’s less legroom than in either rival, and it feels more cramped, too. The Skoda and SEAT are more spacious, while their back seat passengers benefit from standard air-con costsAll three models have stop-start, and the systems were happy to cut the engine’s power with the car at a standstill for more than 30 seconds. The Octavia was most economical, just edging the Civic, with the Leon a bit further place: SEAT Leon STA WIN first time out for the Leon ST. It doesn’t boast the biggest boot here, but it does have thoughtful touches and enough space for most people. Add decent comfort, a very entertaining driving experience and good value, and it’s hard to place: Skoda Octavia EstateThe Octavia is still a sound choice if you want a no-frills estate car that will take everything you throw at it. But it’s only slighter larger than the SEAT, isn’t as stylish or affordable, and lacks some of the Leon’s versatile touches in the place: Honda Civic TourerIf you just want a big boot, then choose the Civic Tourer. But it has smaller back seats and not as many useful touches as its rivals, plus it’s pricier and not quite as well equipped. While the engine is great, the rest of the driving experience isn’t. SEAT Leon ST TDI 105 SESkoda Octavia Estate TDI 105 SEHonda Civic Tourer i-DTEC SOn-the-road price/total as tested£19,495/£23,365£20,365/£23,110£21,375/£23,845Residual value (after 3yrs/30,000)£8,773/45%£9,103/ tax liability std/higher rate£544/£1,089£569/£1,137£597/£1,194Annual fuel cost (12k/20k miles)£1,794/£2,989£1,655/£2,758£1,692/£2,820Ins. group/quote/road tax band/cost15/£356/A/£013/£378/A/£015/£366/A/£0Cost of 1st/2nd/3rd service£169/£199/£169£529 (3yrs/30k)£995 (5yrs/62,500) Length/wheelbase4,535/2,636mm4,659/2,686mm4,535/2,595mmHeight/width1,454/1,816mm1,465/1,814mm1,480/1,770mmEngine4cyl in-line/1,598cc4cyl in-line/1,598cc4cyl in-line/1,597ccPeak power104/3,000 bhp/rpm104/3,000 bhp/rpm118/4,000 bhp/rpmPeak torque250/1,500 Nm/rpm250/1,500 Nm/rpm300/2,000 Nm/rpmTransmission5-spd man/fwd5-spd man/fwd6-spd manual/fwdFuel tank capacity/spare wheel50 litres/£9550 litres/£7550 litres/repair kitBoot capacity (seats up/down)587/1,470 litres610/1,740 litres624/1,668 litresKerbweight/payload/towing weight1,331/529/1,500kg1,247/645/1,500kg1,337/460/1,400kgTurning circle/drag metres/N/ metres/ metres/N/ABasic warranty (miles)/recovery3yrs (60,000)/2yrs3yrs (60,000)/3yrs3yrs (90,000)/1yrService intervals/UK dealers10k miles (1yr)/128Variable/135Variable/223Driver Power manufacturer/dealer NCAP: Adult/child/ped./stars94/92/70/593/86/66/594/83/69/5 0-60/ secs (wet) secs (wet)30-50mph in 3rd/ secs50-70mph in 5th/ secs/N/ secs/N/ secsTop speed/rpm at 70mph119mph/2,100rpm119mph/2,100rpm121mph/2,000rpmBraking 70-0/60-0/ (wet) (wet)Noise levels outside/idle/30/70mph70/47/63/66dB70/46/64/69dB70/49/63/71dBAuto Express econ (mpg/mpl)/ milesGovt urban/extra-urban/ urban/extra-urban/ CO2/tax bracket182/99g/km/14%167/99g/km/14%171/99g/km/14% Airbags/Isofix/rear park sensors/camSeven/yes/£265/noSeven/yes/yes/noSix/yes/£535/£695Automatic box/stability/cruise control£1,250/yes/yes£1,250/yes/£180No/yes/noClimate control/leather/heated seats£350/£1,370/£350Yes/no/£200Yes/no/noMet paint/xenons/fold front pass seat£495/£995^/£75£525/£1,190/£110£500/no/noSat-nav/USB/DAB radio/Bluetooth£745/yes/£175/yes£550/yes/yes/yes£545/yes/yes/yesMost PopularNew MG 4 prototype reviewRoad testsNew MG 4 prototype reviewWe try out the new all-electric MG4 ahead of its arrival in the UK25 Jul 2022New MINI Aceman concept points to 2024 electric MINI crossoverNewsNew MINI Aceman concept points to 2024 electric MINI crossoverNew small MINI electric crossover is due in a few years, and this concept gives a very strong hint of what the production-ready MINI Aceman could look…26 Jul 2022Toyota bZ4X vs Volkswagen vs Hyundai Ioniq 5: 2022 group test reviewCar group testsToyota bZ4X vs Volkswagen vs Hyundai Ioniq 5: 2022 group test reviewDoes Toyota’s all-new bZ4X electric SUV crack the family-friendly formula? 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Honda (modrá křivka) akceleruje nejlépe, což není vzhledem k parametrům motoru překvapení. Zelená křivka opět patří Peugeotu, červená Cupře. Civic brzdění vzdal, takže jsme zkoušeli jenom Peugeot a Seat. Francouzský hatchback (červená) vykázal lepší brzdění. Leon ale měl standardní brzdy, zájemci si mohou za
Which of these two Rs is the real kicker?What do you think of the copper-coloured highlights on the Cupra R? They might be construed as quite a divisive package, but in response there are two points. Firstly, Seat is only bringing in 24 and they’re all sold, so who cares what we think. And the second point is that we’re matching it with a Honda Civic Type R, so any concern about some styling elements of the Seat being over the top are completely on the Leon is enhanced by a modified Cupra body kit, and it comes with big brakes, revamped steering and camber angles, and a rortier exhaust. Styling on the Honda is, well, it’s whatever you think it is. So let’s stop looking at that outrageous spoiler and those basking shark vents, and step which point you’re met by a certain amount of red but beyond that you’re noticing that this is a seriously sorted, well laid out cabin that is a big step up from where the Civic Type R used to be. The seats – very red – are also very low, putting you just where you want to be when the rev counter heads towards the Civict Type R Price: £30,995 Engine: four-cylinder, turbo, petrol Power: 316bhp Torque: 295lb/ft 0-62mph: Top speed: 169mph Economy: CO2 emissions: 176g/kmIn the Cupra R it’s all pretty good, with highlights including the Alcantara wrapped round the steering wheel, and the great infotainment system (the one in the Honda is beyond hopeless). But, taken overall, you seem to be sitting too high and it feels more like a city car than a serious sporting nothing city car about the Honda, which is obviously bigger, lower and just generally more. The chassis feels supremely well sorted, leaving the suspension to do its thing of absorbing what we laughingly call our roads. It’s never going to be anything other than firm, even in Comfort setting, yet it’s not overly firm. Generally it feels brilliantly spent a very large fortune and sacrificed slaves and territories to turn the family saloon into something so very special. It’s clear that Seat tried very hard but they didn’t quite have so many human sacrifices to offer, nor as much gold in the treasury – or, at least, they weren’t prepared to spend it effect is a car that is very good by the standards of these things, but in comfort mode it feels like a jelly compared to the Honda, and then the jelly sets rather hard further up the you’re really motoring though, you’re reminded of the similarity in DNA between the Cupra and VW’s Golf Clubsport S. The real highlight though isn’t the top end, fabulous though that Leon Cupra R Price: £34,995 Engine: four-cylinder, turbo, petrol Power: 305bhp Torque: 280lb/ft Transmission: 6-speed manual, front-wheel drive 0-62mph: Top speed: 155mph Economy: CO2 emissions: 170g/kmIt’s the Leon’s remarkable ability to pull from just about anywhere on the dial that really impresses. This is a very easy engine to use, and it means you can rev it out like a boy racer or go virtually as quickly but with minimal sweat. That’s a neat it’s one the Honda can’t quite match. The turbocharged four-pot in the Honda certainly pulls hard, let’s not get carried away, but there’s just a hint of lag, just a bit more need for revs than in the Seat. The effect is that the Honda seems to build harder as the revs rise, aided further by a really delightful clutch and the Honda that really talks to you, telling you what’s going on all the time, helping you feel more at one with the machine. All those slaves and empires didn’t fall for nothing. The depth of ability here is basically bottomless, right up until R+ mode, which is actually a bit much for British roads – it can be too much on some racetracks even. Short of that though, the Type R is really, truly Cupra gets better as you go harder, but you can feel it taking the steps, stiffening the suspension and steering, while the Honda has such a wondrous chassis there isn’t such an awareness that these things are happening or need to are going to be some who will find the styling of the latest Type R simply too much to stomach. They’d prefer the Cupra R, but they’re only going to get one if they buy it already aesthetics aside, while the Cupra R is a great car and Seat must be commended for turning the Leon into such a remarkable force, it’s the Honda every time that shows what endless commitment, budget and engineering brilliance can achieve, even with a family saloon.
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The SEAT Leon Cupra is arguably the bargain performance hatchback of the moment. It shares many components with the brilliant Volkswagen Golf R, only omitting the four-wheel-drive system, an extra 20hp and around £3,000 extra cost. If it’s sharpness and aggression you’re after, however, the new Honda Civic Type R surely deserves your attention. This wild-looking hatchback has performance to match its outlandish style, and is a worthy contender for the hot hatch crown. On paper though, the SEAT and the Honda are surprisingly closely matched. So which is the car for you? If you’ve already fallen for either, pop either the Honda Civic Type R or the SEAT Leon Cupra into our car configurator to see how much carwow could help you save. Styling SEAT and Honda couldn’t have taken more different approaches to styling. The Leon relies on simple details, making the most of the sharp, attractive lines of the regular car. If anything, it’s even more subtle than its Volkswagen Golf R cousin. Only when you move towards the more extreme 280 Sub8 version do things start to look more wild. In contrast, the Type R is all about big grilles, outrageous side skirts and downforce-inducing wings and diffusers. It’ll certainly get you noticed, but it might be a level of attention not everyone will be comfortable with… Interior The Civic’s interior upgrades aren’t quite as over the top, but they still clearly hint at the performance on offer. The sports seats (which one or two testers suggested were mounted a touch too high) are trimmed in red fabric, while the sporty aluminium gear knob is close to the steering wheel for quicker gear changes. The wheel itself gains flashes of red leather, and is flat-bottomed, like many sporty cars these days. Like the outside, the Leon’s cabin is a little more grown-up than the Civic (or dull, depending on your point of view). The cabin is well-screwed together but it’s all a little too full of black plastic to look special enough. The one saving grace is the steering wheel, which is lovely to hold. When it comes to the sensible stuff, the Leon has a little more space for rear seat passengers (particularly headroom) but the Civic has a huge boot. However, the Leon is offered in ST estate for those needing more room. Driving Despite their vastly different looks, out on the road, both of these cars are exciting and entertaining in equal measure. The Cupra is praised for its tight body control and responsive chassis while the ride – although firm – is never deemed to be uncomfortable. The Leon’s more advanced suspension setup at the rear suggests it will be the more entertaining drive, but the Civic takes all of these traits and moves each of them up another notch. The grip is described as “enormous” by testers and body control is “exemplary”. The steering is sharp and direct and, even if it is lacking in some feel, it’s still an improvement over the variable-ratio setup the Leon uses. The Honda’s gearchange action is brilliant and adds to the sporty driving experience. The SEAT’s manual is not quite on the same level, but the optional dual-clutch automatic gearbox allows for rapid shifts or automatic operation if needed. Engines Both the Civic and the Leon use turbocharged petrol engines to send their power to the front wheels only. The SEAT is the slower of the two, yet still hits 62mph from rest in seconds (when equipped with the DSG gearbox) before reaching a top speed of 155mph, says it all really. The Civic? Knock another tenth off the 0-62mph time and add 12mph to the top speed… Four-cylinder turbocharged engines aren’t normally the sweetest-sounding of units, but the SEAT and the Honda both provide a suitably naughty soundtrack to match the performance. Value for money Of the two, the SEAT is the cheaper car to buy. Even before the generous discounts SEAT dealers are willing to offer (particularly through our deal checker) the Leon is just under £2,500 cheaper than the Civic. It’s also worth bearing in mind that the top-spec GT version of the Honda – which adds a better stereo, dual-zone climate control and automatic lights – costs a further £2,300. The Leon is claimed to return which is noticeably better than the Civic’s official figure of However, testers have confirmed that, in real world conditions, buyers should expect much closer to low-thirties from both. When it comes to depreciation, both the Honda and the SEAT should hold their value quite well, and you never know – if you decide to hold onto one for a really long time and if their cult status lives on, they may start to creep up in value again… Verdict Both the SEAT Leon Cupra and the Honda Civic Type R are class-leading hot hatches. On balance though, the Civic is faster, more exciting to look at and a little more thrilling to drive. However, you could easily argue a case for the SEAT. Given that it’s a few grand cheaper to buy – and likely to be cheaper to run, too – any deficiencies it gives away to the Honda are due to the lower price. Overall, the Civic wins out for the ultimate hot hatch driving experience. However, if the purchase price is just a little high or you prefer the automatic gearbox and better ride, you won’t be disappointed with the Leon at all. What next? Pop either the Honda Civic Type R or the SEAT Leon Cupra into our car configurator to see how much carwow could help you save. Check out our deals page for more options or, if you’re still struggling to choose what car you’d like, head over to our car chooser.
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Jesteś na Forum Samochodowe Forum Motoryzacyjne Jakie auto kupić? Który lepszy? Honda Civic vs. Seat Leon Który lepszy? Honda Civic vs. Seat Leon Honda Civic 11 55% Seat Leon 9 45% Razem głosów : 20 Odpowiedz z cytatem Szukam samochodu stosunkowo nowego 2006-2008, za ok. 45 tyś. Na oku mam dwa modele, Hondę Civic i Seata Leon. Przyznaję, że zewnętrznie bardziej podoba mi się Leon, jednak jego wnętrze ustępuje stylistyce wnętrza Civica. Wybór jest dość trudny, dlatego proszę o radę i argumenty przemawiające za wybranym modelem: Przykładowe propozycje: [link do Allegro wygasł] [link do Allegro wygasł] Z góry dziękuję za odpowiedź i pozdrawiam! PS Może warto zwrócić uwagę na Peugeota 407 z 2007r.? l25 Posty: 7 Wyślij odpowiedź Odpowiedz z cytatem Góra 18 Wrz 2008, 21:12 Odpowiedz z cytatem nie wierz w każde słowo jigsawa jeśli ten peugeot jest w cenie 45 k to fajna oferta raczej , zależy od auta jeszcze i nie słuchaj tego ze wszystkie francuzy to shit , renault "nasrało" w francuzkie gniazdo i peugeot na tym cierpi z tych dwóch samochodów wybrałbym civica , jest piękny w tej przytoczonej przez ciebie wersji marcinx26 Posty: 252 Wyślij odpowiedź Odpowiedz z cytatem Góra 18 Wrz 2008, 23:27 Odpowiedz z cytatem Oba auta świeże, czy bezawaryjne? Trudno powiedzieć. Można zatem kierować się tym co się komu podoba. Mnie nowy Civic nie przekonuje. Jeszcze z zewnątrz jest przyjemny, nowoczesny, ale w środku jest obrzydliwy. Nie jestem małym chłopczykiem, któremu podoba się coś co szybko mruga na kolorowo. Wolę wnętrza utrzymane w starszym stylu, np. Mercedes ma rewelacyjne projekty wnętrz samochodów. Ani Audi, ani BMW nie mogą się z Merolkiem równać. Leon ma bardzo piękną, grubą kierownicę - super! Dla mnie Seat Leon - zdecydowanie. Dishman Posty: 3725 Wyślij odpowiedź Odpowiedz z cytatem Góra 19 Wrz 2008, 00:24 Odpowiedz z cytatem marcinx26 - myślałem, że już skończysz te dziecinne docinki w moim kierunku. W życiu nie zestawiłbym żadnego francuza obok japończyka albo samochodu z koncernu VW, tym bardziej, że mówimy o świeżych samochodach i każdy, rozsądny człowiek przyzna mi rację. Potrzebujesz czegokolwiek z E36 328i coupe mpakiet - dużo "rarytasów" - pisz na pw, jiGsaw Posty: 5044Miejscowość: Rumia Auto: BMW Wyślij odpowiedź Odpowiedz z cytatem Góra Ciekawe publikacje motoryzacyjne Na żywo i zza kierownicy Wakacje ze smartfonem w ręce? Dlaczego nie, o ile nie prowadzimy w tym samym czasie samochodu i nie zajmujemy się telefonem bardziej niż tym, co dzieje się na drodze. W przeciwnym razie dekoncentracja za kierownicą może skończyć ... Dacia Duster - historia Duster odniósł prawdziwy sukces, zdobywając serca 400 tysięcy klientów w ciągu niewiele ponad 3 lat od jego wprowadzenia do sprzedaży. W 2012 roku uplasował się na przykład w pierwszej dziesiątce najlepiej sprzedających ... 20 Wrz 2008, 13:47 Odpowiedz z cytatem Jednak mój wstępny kosztorys okazał się nieco nad wyrost przyjęty, bowiem do dyspozycji mam max. 45 tyś., dlatego pomyślałem nad Mazdą 6 z 2006r., bądź Mazdą 3 z '07,'08[/b], których uśrednione ceny kształtują się w okolicach 42-46 tyś. (przy dobrze wyszukanym egzemplarzu), a to zdaje się jest w zasięgu mojego budżetu. Musze powiedzieć, że to auto winno wytrzymać - pomijając nieprzewidziane sytuacje - co najmniej 5 bezawaryjnych lat, warto nadmienić także o mile widzianym silniku nie przekraczającym bowiem zależy mi na ekonomicznym aucie, swoją drogą chciałbym się dowiedziec ile takie cacko pali przy normalnej jeździe w mieście. Co Wy na to? Dobry to wybór, no i najważniejsze, czy osiągalny? Może macie dla mnie jakieś inne propozycje? (przede wszystkim nie za dużo palące, do 45 tyś., najstarsze z 2006r.) Przykładowy egzemplarz: [link do Otomoto wygasł] [link do Otomoto wygasł] Proszę o szybkie odpowiedzi, ponieważ zależy mi na czasie i fachowej pomocy. Pozdrawiam PS Nie trawię żadnych kombi l25 Posty: 7 Wyślij odpowiedź Odpowiedz z cytatem Góra 21 Wrz 2008, 10:43 Odpowiedz z cytatem Mazda będzie bardzo dobrym wyborem. Możesz się rozejrzeć również za czymś z TDI, jeżeli tak ważna jest ta ekonomia. Potrzebujesz czegokolwiek z E36 328i coupe mpakiet - dużo "rarytasów" - pisz na pw, jiGsaw Posty: 5044Miejscowość: Rumia Auto: BMW Wyślij odpowiedź Odpowiedz z cytatem Góra 24 Wrz 2008, 20:56 Odpowiedz z cytatem Może chociaż, narodzie Polski, coś porywającego oko polećcie, skoro już tak uporczywie milcząc znaku nie dajecie. Pamiętać jedynie musicie, drodzy internauci, o pewnych zastrzeżeniach nałożonych przeze mnie,: auto me mało-palące musi być (do 8 litrów przy spokojnej miejskiej jeździe), egzemplarze powyżej 45 tyś. zł skreślam machinalnie, i co najistotniejsze nie może sięgać rocznika starszego niźli 2006. Liczę, że z racji dużego doświadczenia i wrodzonej skłonności do altruizmu pomożecie mi w podjęciu decyzji o wadze dość znaczącej. Pozdrawiam! PS To napisane powyżej posłużyło mi ledwo za alibi dla uaktualnienia tematu najbliższego skądinąd sercu memu na tym forum. Przepraszam za to z tego miejsca serdecznie. l25 Posty: 7 Wyślij odpowiedź Odpowiedz z cytatem Góra 25 Wrz 2008, 01:15 Odpowiedz z cytatem Zatem polecam jakiegoś oszczędnego diesela. Skode octavie TDI powinieneś dorwać, tylko nie wiem, czy uda Ci się drugą generację, ale pierwsza też jest niezła. Potrzebujesz czegokolwiek z E36 328i coupe mpakiet - dużo "rarytasów" - pisz na pw, jiGsaw Posty: 5044Miejscowość: Rumia Auto: BMW Wyślij odpowiedź Odpowiedz z cytatem Góra 25 Wrz 2008, 11:18 Odpowiedz z cytatem Za 45 tysięcy spokojnie znajdzie się octavie nowszej generacji z całkiem niezłym wyposażeniem. Kumpel w zeszłym roku taką sprowadził i auto było świetne Ostrożność nie jest tchórzostwem. Lekkomyślność nie jest bohaterstwem. Martoro Posty: 831Miejscowość: Świętochłowice Wyślij odpowiedź Odpowiedz z cytatem Góra 28 Wrz 2008, 17:01 Odpowiedz z cytatem Powiedźcie mi, jakie wady ma Seat Leon, co w nim najczęściej się psuje? Chciałbym też wiedzieć, jakie rzeczywiste spalanie mają Leony z silnikiem diesela o pojemności przy spokojnej miejskiej jeździe. Jak wygląda sprawa przyspieszenia, itp.? Jak właściwie to auto wypada na tle innych z tego samego segmentu finansowego i konstrukcyjnego? l25 Posty: 7 Wyślij odpowiedź Odpowiedz z cytatem Góra Tagi: Honda, Honda Civic, Seat, auto, samochód, tdi, szyby, wnętrze, Mazda, kupię, Peugeot, Seat Leon, VW, tdi, benzyna, Audi, diesel, wyposażenie, BMW, drogi Jakie auto kupić?
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Administrator FCX Clarity Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 10617 Ma rog... TFSI-ul are turbo :P nu e chiar canci... dar totusi scorul e Civic 100%. Oare n-am facut eu bine poll-ul? :lol: '08 Civic 5D 1,8 Sport Champagne Silver: Vicky sigpic Comment Senior Member ASIMO Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 2579 pai daca problema e la sotie (adica sa o convingi pe ea), solutia e extrem de usoara: daca nu le-a pipait pe niciuna din ele (vb de masini), du-o la dealer si urc-o in ele. dar mai intai la honda, ca sa nu faceti un drum degeaba... :twisted: ce vreau sa spun, civicul are un efect "ciudat" asupra femeilor/sotiilor...mai stiu cazuri... :wink: nu te pune cu prostul ca are mintea odihnita (ignorance is bliss)... Comment Super Moderator FCX Clarity Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 11122 Chestia cu reglajul lombar al scaunului mi se pare o mare frectie. Am avut asta ( reglaj lombar ) pe vreo 5 masini inainte sa am Honda ( am avut Ford, Skoda 2 buc, Renault, Leon ) si nu ii duc dorul. Este un minus la capitolul "dotari" dar Honda Civic are scaune foarte comode. Leon-ul nou nu mi-a placut in interior ( a fost o idee sa-mi iau ) si are o directie foarte greoie ( tragi cam tare de volan ). Singurul plus este sonorizarea standard care cred ca este cea mai buna din gama. Dar 100% Civic! I'm not anti-social. I'm anti-idiot. My cars: '09 Honda Accord Tourer A/T, Executive, Cobalt Blue Pearl--all season daily car '00 S2000, Silverstone Metallic - my new daily sunny day drive '96 CRX Del Sol 1,6 SIR, Custom Metallic Green - sunny&warm days car '78 Accord SJ 1,6 Yellow - historical car EX-'11 CR-V 2,2 I-DTEC A/T Executive, Urban Titanium Metallic EX -'09 Accord Sedan 2,4 M/T Executive, Cobalt Blue Pearl EX-''00 HR-V 1,6, Custom Matt BlacK - Utility car EX-'15 Civic 5D 1,8 Sport M/T Briliant Sporty Blue Metallic EX- '95 Civic Eg 1,8 White - race car EX-'08 Civic 5d 1,8 Sport M/T Alabaster Silver - Comment Administrator FCX Clarity Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 10617 Cine a votat cu Leonul? Care e tradatorul? Macar daca argumenta de ce Leon :roll: '08 Civic 5D 1,8 Sport Champagne Silver: Vicky sigpic Comment Super Moderator FCX Clarity Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 11122 Pai cred ca votat Leonul pt ca e democratie :rock: I'm not anti-social. I'm anti-idiot. My cars: '09 Honda Accord Tourer A/T, Executive, Cobalt Blue Pearl--all season daily car '00 S2000, Silverstone Metallic - my new daily sunny day drive '96 CRX Del Sol 1,6 SIR, Custom Metallic Green - sunny&warm days car '78 Accord SJ 1,6 Yellow - historical car EX-'11 CR-V 2,2 I-DTEC A/T Executive, Urban Titanium Metallic EX -'09 Accord Sedan 2,4 M/T Executive, Cobalt Blue Pearl EX-''00 HR-V 1,6, Custom Matt BlacK - Utility car EX-'15 Civic 5D 1,8 Sport M/T Briliant Sporty Blue Metallic EX- '95 Civic Eg 1,8 White - race car EX-'08 Civic 5d 1,8 Sport M/T Alabaster Silver - Comment Senior Member ASIMO Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 2579 Originally posted by KMR Chestia cu reglajul lombar al scaunului mi se pare o mare frectie. Am avut asta ( reglaj lombar ) pe vreo 5 masini inainte sa am Honda ( am avut Ford, Skoda 2 buc, Renault, Leon ) si nu ii duc dorul. Este un minus la capitolul "dotari" dar Honda Civic are scaune foarte comode. Leon-ul nou nu mi-a placut in interior ( a fost o idee sa-mi iau ) si are o directie foarte greoie ( tragi cam tare de volan ). Singurul plus este sonorizarea standard care cred ca este cea mai buna din gama. Dar 100% Civic! OFF: nici la civic nu mi se pare foarte moale volanul...poate doar in comparatie cu motorul oprit... m-am urcat de curand intr-o octavia 2, diesel si mi s-a parut volanul mult mai usor, pe loc fac comparatia...! sa fie oare numai de la diferenta de cauciucuri...?!? nu te pune cu prostul ca are mintea odihnita (ignorance is bliss)... Comment Administrator FCX Clarity Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 10617 Originally posted by KMR Pai cred ca votat Leonul pt ca e democratie :rock: De ce vrei independenta KMR? Nu ne-am purtat noi frumos cu tine? :lol: Acum serios vorbind... zi-nu si noua niste motive ca sa stie si Cata ce vezi la Leon... motive domnule. Argumente tehnice :lol: '08 Civic 5D 1,8 Sport Champagne Silver: Vicky sigpic Comment Super Moderator FCX Clarity Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 11122 Frate, eu nu am cum sa votez Leon. Am avut ( generatia anterioara ), m-am gandit si mi-am luat CIVIC. Nu sunt eu acela :butthead: Evident ca v-ati purtat frumos =D> I'm not anti-social. I'm anti-idiot. My cars: '09 Honda Accord Tourer A/T, Executive, Cobalt Blue Pearl--all season daily car '00 S2000, Silverstone Metallic - my new daily sunny day drive '96 CRX Del Sol 1,6 SIR, Custom Metallic Green - sunny&warm days car '78 Accord SJ 1,6 Yellow - historical car EX-'11 CR-V 2,2 I-DTEC A/T Executive, Urban Titanium Metallic EX -'09 Accord Sedan 2,4 M/T Executive, Cobalt Blue Pearl EX-''00 HR-V 1,6, Custom Matt BlacK - Utility car EX-'15 Civic 5D 1,8 Sport M/T Briliant Sporty Blue Metallic EX- '95 Civic Eg 1,8 White - race car EX-'08 Civic 5d 1,8 Sport M/T Alabaster Silver - Comment Super Moderator FCX Clarity Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 11122 "toto" : Leon-ul inca mai este in companie. crede-ma ca este o diferenta enorma . Cea mai usoara directie am avut-o pe Renault megane. I'm not anti-social. I'm anti-idiot. My cars: '09 Honda Accord Tourer A/T, Executive, Cobalt Blue Pearl--all season daily car '00 S2000, Silverstone Metallic - my new daily sunny day drive '96 CRX Del Sol 1,6 SIR, Custom Metallic Green - sunny&warm days car '78 Accord SJ 1,6 Yellow - historical car EX-'11 CR-V 2,2 I-DTEC A/T Executive, Urban Titanium Metallic EX -'09 Accord Sedan 2,4 M/T Executive, Cobalt Blue Pearl EX-''00 HR-V 1,6, Custom Matt BlacK - Utility car EX-'15 Civic 5D 1,8 Sport M/T Briliant Sporty Blue Metallic EX- '95 Civic Eg 1,8 White - race car EX-'08 Civic 5d 1,8 Sport M/T Alabaster Silver - Comment Administrator FCX Clarity Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 10617 Scuze KMR... citisem "am votat"... trebuia pus "a votat" :lol: '08 Civic 5D 1,8 Sport Champagne Silver: Vicky sigpic Comment Super Moderator FCX Clarity Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 11122 Imi era foame si am "mancat " un a [-o< Adevarul este ca nu este nimic in neregula sa ai alta parere dar ar trebui sustinuta de argumente. I'm not anti-social. I'm anti-idiot. My cars: '09 Honda Accord Tourer A/T, Executive, Cobalt Blue Pearl--all season daily car '00 S2000, Silverstone Metallic - my new daily sunny day drive '96 CRX Del Sol 1,6 SIR, Custom Metallic Green - sunny&warm days car '78 Accord SJ 1,6 Yellow - historical car EX-'11 CR-V 2,2 I-DTEC A/T Executive, Urban Titanium Metallic EX -'09 Accord Sedan 2,4 M/T Executive, Cobalt Blue Pearl EX-''00 HR-V 1,6, Custom Matt BlacK - Utility car EX-'15 Civic 5D 1,8 Sport M/T Briliant Sporty Blue Metallic EX- '95 Civic Eg 1,8 White - race car EX-'08 Civic 5d 1,8 Sport M/T Alabaster Silver - Comment Senior Member ASIMO Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 2550 inainte de cumpara masina, era pe lista si un leon....insa nu a avut nici o sansa...m-am suit in amandoua...si verdictul se stie ! :wink: recunosc...nu am testat un TFSI '18 BMW X1 18xd '15 BMW i3 range extender ex:'12 Honda Civic A/T / '10 Honda CR-Z GT/ '09 Infiniti EX 37/ '07 Mini Cooper S Cabrio / '07 Lexus IS220 / '04 Ford StreetKa / '07 Honda Civic 5D / '06 Citroen C4 Coupe Comment Senior Member PGM-FI Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 258 Originally posted by ticker Ma rog... TFSI-ul are turbo :P nu e chiar canci... dar totusi scorul e Civic 100%. Oare n-am facut eu bine poll-ul? :lol: dpdv putere/consum/fiabilitate nu stiu cat de bine da peste cel de la honda, la asta ma refeream :wink: *Cata dute nene cu prietena la honda,puneo putin la volan sa vezi cum incepe sa toarca de placere :wink: (fata nu masina ) 07' Civic Type-s Nighthawk Black Pearl ---------------------------------------------------------- Comment Senior Member ASIMO Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 2786 Pacat de Leon ca grupul Wag a considerat ca daca arata fain la exterior nu conteaza interiorul. Au gresit rau de tot .. :? .... Comment omu cu warnu' FCX Clarity Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 6937 La Megane mi se pare prea usoara directia aia, mie nu-mi place. Hai ma, cine a votat Leon sa spuna si de ce. Ex: Civic Executive NHB 2007/ Del Sol ESI/ Del Sol VTi 2 roti Comment
All Accord trims above the base LX have a fold-down second-row seat to help larger items fit inside. The Civic sedan's trunk is fairly capacious, providing 14.8 cubic feet or 14.4 cubic feet on
Reality sometimes gets skewed at Speed Week. I mean, it's enough of a head-scrambler that we have both the P1 and 918 at our beck and call for a week, but down at the far end of the pitlane an entire touring car team is hanging out. There are laptops and air jacks, tyres by the score, neatly pressed team uniforms and talk of scrubbing in and diff settings. This is Honda Yuasa Racing. They've won 22 BTCC titles. Matt Neal is here, and so is his car. Whichis an estate. that weren't eye-rubbing enough, next to it sits another chunk of hardcore hatchery, the Seat Leon Cup Racer. You can buy one of these for £75,000 if you so wish, and if you spent a chunk more on it, I suspect you could make it road-legal. Or head in the other direction and compete in world touring cars. Or leave it as a bonkers track-day weapon. Seat says it's 30 per cent roadcar, but the only bit I recognise inside is the DSG gearlever. It looks worryingly seems odd that just about every car in the pitlane produces more power and will later get a chance to prove it by hammering these two in a straight line. Corners, though, are another matter altogether. And not an entirely straightforward one. You see, one of these behaves as you'd imagine a touring car to behave. The other doesn't. The only thing predictable about it is its Rowan HorncastleAdvertisement - Page continues belowI clamber into the Leon. There's a brake bias dial, some toggles for the ignition and many buttons on the steering wheel. The only one I actually need switches the cabin fan on and off. It gets hot in racing cars. It has 330bhp, which ought to be a lot for the front wheels to cope with, but is tamed by a hooky differential, punchy track widths and a broad expanse of slick rubber. Keen and smooth and grippy, it gives you a genuine flavour of racing without any intimidation. Well, a little intimidation - even when the rear tyres are warmed through, they'll give you a gentle nudge into oversteer if you chicken out mid-corner, and the DSG gearbox is a bit... it all holds together, the familiar turbo gets its point across effectively, the brakes are mighty and there's a cheeky scuff from the front splitter through a couple of the more twisted corners. And just like the best racers, the Leon then breaks down when we drive it slowly for tracking pictures. The next day, a man with a laptop comes. It makes no odds - the engine has had a strop. No laptime. This is a shame, as I'm 100 per cent sure it would've been faster than Matt Neal's racecar. With me driving, at this is Matt's actual racing car, not a demo or development car, and the process here is more complex. Matt has to warm it up and scrub in a new set of tyres. I have a lesson, during which I learn the Civic has a very active front diff and that I mustn't fiddle with the buttons, plus notice that the engineers and mechanics appear to be even more apprehensive than I am. They demand I wear race overalls, but, short of stripping Stig, the only set available belongs to Matt himself. So I'm not only driving his car but wearing his clothes. Matt is 6ft 6in. I look like an Oompa Loompa. I couldn't care less. I'm about to drive a front-running BTCC car, and if it drives as simply as the Leon, this will be a walk in the Corner one: massive rear-end skid - no heat in the rear tyres. Corner two: I do one thing with the steering, but, when I get back on the power, the car chooses a different direction entirely. Corner three: I turn the steering wheel, and nothing much happens. I panic and throw more lock on, at which point the front end bites abruptly and the rear slides again. Corner four, the hairpin: a repeat of corner one. Corner five is a heart-in-mouth fast left-hander onto the back straight. I'm so cowed, I'd have been faster in the - Page continues belowClearly, there's a lot going on here: the chief culprits being tyre temperature, a hilariously mobile rear end and a front diff that's too clever for its own good. I'm amazed how quickly - and noticeably - heat builds in the tyres, and lap two is a bit calmer. But the harder I go, the more aggressive the rear steering gets and the busier the diff. I have many methods of steering the car, only one of which is the wheel in front of me. That, the diff, the rear end and brakes can be used in any combination you see fit, all at the same time - and I've never been much of a multitasker. Everything affects the car's trajectory; it never seems to take the same corner the same way on any two laps. My brain struggles with the data starts to gel eventually, but if this Civic has taught me anything, it's just how ridiculously tricky it is to set up a touring car to go fast. You could spend days tweaking diff lock-up, damper rebound, rear camber and all the rest. After a few more laps, I decide that this would be a very good way to spend a few days. It's absorbingly tricky to drive fast. Bit like the P1. My reality has been skewed ContentGet all the latest news, reviews and exclusives, direct to your clicking subscribe, you agree to receive news, promotions and offers by email from Top Gear and BBC Studios. Your information will be used in accordance with our privacy policy.
Podvozek Leonu je vyvážený, hravý a čitelný. Tak jako v mnoha jiných ohledech se i po této stránce podařilo Seatu najít výborný kompromis mezi Hondou Civic Type R a Peugeotem 308 GTi. Leon Cupra znovu, jako v tomto testu už poněkolikáté, hraje roli „něco mezi“. Podvozek je z této trojice nejzábavnější, je krásně
This video features the all new honda civc type R , the seat leon cupra 280 and the Renault mégane rs Trophy.. A litle interior and exterior walkaround! What
Face à face technique entre : Honda Civic e:HEV Hybrid et Seat Leon Cupra. Qui va remporter le comparateur automobile ? Les réponses sont ici !
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